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mustapha63701
01-04-2006, 08:58 PM
Hello All,

I live in Southeast Missouri and am curious about the whole "home-made" bio-diesel issue. I love the whole "environment-friendly" aspect (though some seem to question this) and certainly am thrilled by the likely prospect of "free" fuel (in terms of recovering "used" vegetable oil from local restaurants, fast food joints, etc.)

I know only some "basics" regarding this topic and would be very interested in converting one of my four diesels to allow the use of such fuel. ("I'll take a Big Mac, fries oh, and some used vegetable oil to go please..." :) ) It would certainly be an "learning" experience! :) Then again, how difficult could it really be?

If anyone else on these forums is also in a "exploring" mood; please feel free to contact me to set-up some sort of an experiment regarding this new, alternative fuel conversion topic.

In the meanwhile; I'd like to ask the following from those who're knowledgeable about the topic:

a. What would happen for instance if I were to just pick-up some used vegetable oil, filter it to remove "impurities" and just "pour" it into the fuel tank?

b. Would there be a reason for special fuel filtering, in such cases? Or would the original primary and secondary filters manage just fine?

c. Spring is fast approaching and it stands to reason that it would be "safe" to run vegetable oil until some time mid Fall? Unless I'm being "naive" I'm assuming I could run vegetable oil until the weather cools off; switch to diesel for cold months and back to vegetable again during warm weather?

I seem to have a natural "talent" for organizing events (in the past I've organized many charity events, fund raisers to support local university gymnastics team, aid to Katrina survivors, etc., etc.) and would be FUN to organize a get-together, here in Mid-West area for some curious diesel/gas Mercedes enthusiast to "discuss" this issue, sometime possibly in Spring. There're a number of cheap hotel/motel lodgings, restaurants, etc., available locally to accomodate anyone needing such arrangements and I think overall, this could be fun. It wouldn't be just for folks who only own diesels but, to all who're curious about the topic in general. It could also be a reason to even take-out your prized toy to stretch its leggs. Would anyone be interested in a small, one-two day get-together to "tinker" with some diesels and maybe even to have a half-a-day drive through the surrounding areas, etc., ending up at in one of our fine local dining establishments? (I once organized a car rally - was a success! - to help in raising funds for our local university gymastics team, to help them travel to Hawaii for a competition.) If there was enough interest, we could even have mini-events set-up; a show-and-tell of sorts to help folks maintain their Merc diesels. I'd certainly be very willing to share what little I know about the old W123's and in fact, I think it could be "loads of fun!" :)

If there're organizations out-there (nearby, mid-west, USA) that are already doing this, please let me know "when-and-where," and oh... directions as well and maybe I can even "snag" a friend-or-two into driving a few more of my vehicles to your location.

Mustapha

mustapha63701
01-04-2006, 09:09 PM
By the way, I thought it would be best to "clarify" my earlier mention of "...car rally."

This was a "rally" in name only and did not include any high-speed or risky driving. Basically, I was able to get local and county police escort our lengthy convoy for safety reasons and we drove at a moderate pace, enjoying the surroundings. There were about sixty or so vehicles and yours trully had a 1956 Porsche 356a Speedster and a 1959 Mercedes 220s (Ponton sedan) entered and it was lots of fun. The mini-rally ended when we pulled into the parking lot of a restaurant and a local band played for a few hours out doors, while all involved got to "mingle" swap stories, "tinker-about" and sample in local delicacies.

Mustapha

H-townbenzoboy
01-04-2006, 10:08 PM
What you're describing is not Biodiesel, it sounds like WVO or SVO, which is MUCH different than Biodiesel. Straight 100% biodiesel is made from vegetable oils (other blends like B5, B10, B99 have some petrol diesel in it, the percentage of biodiesel in the fuel is denoted in the number after the B ex: B5= 5% biodiesel) with a much lower viscosity than SVO or WVO, allowing it to be burned like petrol diesel. WVO and SVO are thick, and require heating before use to be used, and they're not good for our cars in the long run.

I'll try to answer some of your questions to the best of my abilities

a. What would happen for instance if I were to just pick-up some used vegetable oil, filter it to remove "impurities" and just "pour" it into the fuel tank?

b. Would there be a reason for special fuel filtering, in such cases? Or would the original primary and secondary filters manage just fine?

c. Spring is fast approaching and it stands to reason that it would be "safe" to run vegetable oil until some time mid Fall? Unless I'm being "naive" I'm assuming I could run vegetable oil until the weather cools off; switch to diesel for cold months and back to vegetable again during warm weather?


a. I wouldn't put used vegetable oil in my car. It has sugar, dirt, and other bad things not meant for engines or fuel systems in it, no matter how much it's filtered.

b. If I was running B100 (I would NEVER run SVO or WVO), for the first few tankfuls, I'd carry a few spare inline fuel filters with me, because the B100 really cleans the fuel system out.

c. See (a).

mustapha63701
01-04-2006, 11:27 PM
Thank you very much for the clarification, I need to read up more about this topic and thank you also for the caution about the viscosity issue and the sugar, etc., warnings. :)

Mustapha

Al Magaloff
01-05-2006, 04:32 AM
One of the most informative sites I've found regarding WVO is Journeytoforever.org. A great tutorial!

goybar
01-05-2006, 09:42 AM
I think WVO is acidic as well. I think that's why you need to treat it.

Another good site: http://www.greasecar.com/

torkydzl
01-05-2006, 03:44 PM
www.biodiesel.org
www.biodieselnow.com

shadetree
01-05-2006, 05:11 PM
Hello,
Sounds like an interesting idea especially for folks like me that are retired
and have some time on our hands to play around. Since you are from
the Cape area(never did learn to spell the Jeir part:-) I might be interested in
some participation in such a project when I am at my second home located
in Jonesboro, AR. The WVO, SVO and home-made bio diesel projects
could be a good hobby especially if one has the room and space to do it.
However, I am more interested in the program for the industry to start
providing distribution points throughout the country so one can easily
buy the stuff the way we now buy petroleum products. For example
where I live there is only one point that offers B-20 biodiesel and the set
up is mainly for 18 wheelers and it's hard to access the place with a car.
The nearest B-100 point is about 90 miles away. Now thats not my idea
of easily accessed distribution points. ha
Seems to me that the bio-diesel and ethanol industry needs to do a better
job of commercializing the program. The only Auto mfg's I see doing very
much is the Ford Co. Late last year Mr. Ford their CEO was on the networks
quite a bit selling the idea of what Ford intends to do this year regarding
alternative fuel vehicles. Another example I recently read about on the
bio-diesel.org site was about an event that took place in Mexico, MO whereby ArcherDaniels Midland and partners are starting construction on the largest bio-diesel production plant that will be in the entire USA. Notable figures were on
hand for the event to include Sen. Cris Bond, MO. Never saw a mention at all
on any of the main stream news channels etc.
I think we all need to do what we can to help pass the word where ever possible
with politicians and all others to get the ball rolling to help make alternative
fuels available to one and all. Many may rather use what now is available
and thats OK too. But give the rest of us a choice to select what we would
prefer to use for our own benefit.
Regards,
Chas. Mattix

lkchris
01-05-2006, 06:03 PM
Am I interested?

Not in the slightest.

VLayton
01-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Not in the slightest. I don't advocate the useage in MB cars at all. I embrace commercial (genuine) bio-diesel in responsible percentages. It will be great in purer forms for modern and future cars that are designed for it.

As for the get togethers, I'm afraid I'll be far too busy this year with my own W123 road tour (rally, if you will) car show, tech event, maybe the second rally if there is enough interest to make it happen this year, and Route 66, ON TOP of everthing I'm resigned to do, sorry.